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Julia Louis-Dreyfus is listening to older women, and you should too

Her podcast, Wiser Than Me, is an absolute delight.

In 2015, Comedy Central premiered “one of the greatest sketches in television history,” according to Variety. The ingenious, gutsy satire starts with Tina Fey, Patricia Arquette, and Amy Schumer picnicking together in the middle of an idyllic field. It’s a momentous day: they’ve gathered to celebrate their great friend and colleague, Julia Louis-Dreyfus. You see, it’s her last f*ckable day. A whip-smart satire about Hollywood's double standard and aging, it stars an A-list ensemble of the industry's wittiest actors who absolutely skewer and outright disprove the belief that youth should be the ultimate prize. Basically, The Substance, just a decade earlier.

Now, Louis-Dreyfus is on a mission to uplift and celebrate the voices of the many iconic women who have come before her. On her podcast, Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus (launched in 2023 by Lemonada Media), she champions the women whose shoulders she has stood on; they are the pioneers who have inspired millions and forever altered the fabric of society through the use of their gifts, talent, and hard work. Most need no introduction, with guests including Jane Fonda, Patti Smith, Isabel Allende, Ina Garten, Billie Jean King, and Gloria Steinem, among others. Guided endearingly by their host, Louis-Dreyfus, these women answer every question and avoid nothing, all while remaining kind, observant, and matter-of-fact. They are, as JLD says, "wiser than her." And it doesn't take a genius to realize that we could all benefit from hearing what these incredible women have to say.


Inspiration strikes

Beyond participating in the Comedy Central sketch, which rejects the way society tends to treat older women (at one point, Schumer asks, “Who tells the men when it’s their last f*ckable day?” To which Arquette replies, “Honey, men don’t have that day”), Louis-Dreyfus also started to notice a disturbing pattern: that brilliant, iconic women almost always receded from the public's eye, when they aged, sometimes fading into oblivion altogether. However, as she neared her 60th birthday, the true “aha!” moment came when she watched Jane Fonda in Five Acts. “It’s a superb documentary and completely riveting,” she gushed on the podcast, Funny Cuz It’s True with Elyse Myers, then aded:

“ [Fonda's had a very expansive life. She’s been at the helm of many big shifts and changes, and movements in our culture… And I’m thinking myself, ‘I didn’t really understand the scope of what she had done in her life.’ And then I thought, ‘Wait a minute, we’re not hearing from we’re not hearing enough from older women who have experienced a shit ton of life. And I really want to hear from them. I would love to hear a podcast talking to older women. And maybe I should do it.’"


Everyone loves it

The rest was history. The first episode premiered in April 2023, with Jane Fonda as the inaugural guest. Charismatic as ever, the beloved actress and activist recounted the time she was heckled by Katharine Hepburn, told an extremely amusing story involving a fake thumb, and revealed her secret funeral fantasies. The show continued to gain momentum, with guests including 80-year-old award-winning author Isabel Allende, rock-and-roll star Darlene Love, and the ultimate multi-hyphenate food virtuoso, Ina Garten. Practically overnight, Wiser Than Me was everywhere, dominating the charts and joining the upper echelons of the podcast world.


The premise is simple: Julia Louis-Dreyfus speaks candidly with some of the most celebrated and renowned women in the world. The only requirement? Age. All guests must be older than Louis-Dreyfus (64), and then they get down to it. With her signature charm and sparkling wit on full display, Louis-Dreyfus digs deep, asking the uncomfortable questions no one else seems to want to talk about. The first being, “Do you feel comfortable sharing your real age?” To which every single guest has happily obliged. Since 2023, she has released two additional seasons of Wiser Than Me, which feature interviews with other notable women such as Sally Field, Billie Jean King, Jane Goodall, Rita Moreno, Carol Burnett, and Nancy Pelosi, among others.

Louis-Dreyfus is a born host. She arrives at interviews armed with numbers, fact sheets, exact dates, and so much research, even a PhD candidate would quiver in their boots. Oh, and she's funny. Of course. Saturday Night Live, playing Selina Meyer on Veep, The Old Adventures of New Christine: her improv comedy chops shine through and often come in handy. Conversations are allowed the space to breathe, weave, and completely change course as guests meditate on what it's like to grow older. What are the joys? Its challenges? Do they have any advice for someone younger? The result is an intoxicating blend of humor and vulnerability, a one-of-a-kind show that’s both incredibly entertaining and deeply informative for all ages, races, and genders. During her episode, cultural critic Fran Lebowitz unapologetically declares her love for sabotaging enemies. In another, Carol Burnett brings Louis-Dreyfus to tears when she compliments her, calling her “one of the greatest comedic actresses of our time.”

The show’s not without its small stumbles and the occasional stumble, though. If you’re expecting a shiny, polished This American Life episode (one where Ira Glass is clearly feeling himself), you will come up empty-handed. In the Patti Smith episode, the Zoom connection goes haywire, and the video feed freezes multiple times, even interrupting Louis-Dreyfus’ introduction to her guests. However, none of this is edited out in post-production; instead, it is proudly included in the episode, glitches and all.

And that's kind of the point. It’s refreshing to witness Julia Louis-Dreyfuss in this role: herself. She’s not Elaine from Seinfeld, or Madam Vice President from the HBO comedy Veep. And she's definitely not the tiny, plucky Princess Atta from A Bug’s Life. Here, she’s just Julia, a preternaturally curious person with a gift for making people feel at ease. So what if she has won 11 Primetime Emmy Awards, nine Screen Actors Guild Awards, a Golden Globe Award, and received the Mark Twain Prize for American Humor in recognition of her immense impact on comedy and culture? Her guests are pretty damn impressive too, and she wants to learn from them.


And the award goes to…

From the jump, Wiser Than Me ruled Apple Podcasts, attracting a massive audience and spending nearly a month as the platform’s No. 1 show in the United States. And the awards kept coming: In 2023, Wiser Than Me was named Apple Podcasts’ Best Podcast of the Year. Then, in 2024, it received the Webby’s Podcast of the Year award and the Ambie Award for Best Interview Podcast. In Apple Podcast’s congratulatory award announcement, they wrote:

“The show’s popularity and accolades are a testament to its refreshingly authentic approach to amplifying the voices of older, wiser women—a demographic not often centered in mainstream culture—and encouraging intergenerational listening.”


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Becoming a first-time podcast host at 62 years old couldn’t have been easy; Louis-Dreyfus is accustomed to being on-camera and making people laugh with her once-in-a-generation physical comedy prowess. But even in radio form, her playful energy and generous vulnerability are undeniable, and before long, magic is created between her and her guests. It's a much-needed fresh breath of air in the celebrity interview podcast department, where the only prerequisite to thinking your voice matters is access to a microphone. But here, no topic is off-limits or taboo: death, sex, politics, divorce, and the physical realities of aging are spoken about with an ease and frankness rarely seen, especially in Hollywood.


The antidote to, well, everything

Many are wringing their hands, concerned about the growing influence of the "manosphere," a collection of hugely influential male YouTube and TikTok stars who, according to Bloomberg, are allegedly mobilizing America’s men to join the political right. So, in a way, Wiser Than Me could not have arrived at a better time. Louis-Dreyfus has created a space for female septuagenarians, octogenarians, and even nonagenarians to engage in candid, deeply wise, and delightful conversations—and in doing so, has provided a much-needed oasis away from a culture that often dismisses elder women and their experiences.

“We’re certainly not in the habit of listening to old women who have had life experience,” Louis-Dreyfus told The New York Times. “I mean, I would posit that our culture is much more inclined to listen to the wisdom of old men, specifically old white men.” Wiser Than Me takes that narrative and smashes it with a sledgehammer.


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And inspired fans of all ages are tuning in. On Reddit, one user wrote, “I just finished Wiser Than Me and realized that podcasts make my daily walks more enjoyable than music." Another added:

“Not exactly what you asked for, but I loved all episodes of Wiser than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus... Even if you don't think you'd like to hear the thoughts of a specific person, give it a listen, and you'll find interesting aspects of their lives and their thoughts on aging. It is just great.”

Superfan also @mary896 gushed:

"If you aren't listening to this pod, you're totally missing out! Julia delightfully and deeply interviews some of the smartest and most accomplished older women imaginable and it's life affirming, educational and introspective. I've loved every single ep and have learned SO much. It's entertaining and so deeply moving. I am planning on a relisten!”

Louis-Dreyfus understands exactly why Wiser Than Me has resonated with so many listeners. “All of these women have demonstrated how to live a life,” she told Apple News. “There’s something about being older where perhaps you feel not as protective in terms of sharing. And so I’ve taken advantage of the intimacy that offers; that availability to be real and to be open is a great gift.”


At the end of every episode, Louis-Drefus asks her guests for advice they wish they’d known at her age. For restaurant critic and author Ruth Reichl, it was essential to find rituals, like gardening or cooking, that grounded her during difficult times. Fashion icon Diane von Furstenberg suggested rephrasing the classic question, “How old are you?” to something a bit more celebratory, like “How long have you been alive?” Genius. All it takes is one episode to realize the sublime brilliance this show has to offer, and that at any age, all of us have much to learn from the women on this podcast, as well as the others who have walked this earth long before us. All three seasons are available now. You’d be wise to listen.

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Andrew Garfield crying while reading an essay on 'Modern Love' has everyone tearing up

This is what makes art so valuable.

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Andrew Garfield has become a fan favorite on and off-screen.

Andrew Garfield is beloved for his performances in films such as "The Social Network," "Tick, Tick, Boom" and his portion of Marvel's "Spider-Man" franchise. But he's also endeared himself to the public with his willingness to openly show emotion in real life.

In 2021, Garfield shared a moving moment with Stephen Colbert when he tenderly talked about the loss of his mom and "all of the unexpressed love" that gets expressed through grief. He also said his mother was a "warrior" for art and that she "knew the power of art and knew the power of leaving the world in a slightly more beautiful state" than she found it.

Now he's touched us again reading a story on the New York Times' "Modern Love" podcast. You can hear the emotion rising in Garfield's voice as the narrator describes some of the things that have changed about his life. Then Garfield reads a line that begins, "My parents don't drive at night anymore," and the dam breaks.

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Preceding this clip, Garfield and "Modern Love" host Anna Martin had been discussing Garfield's new film, "We Live in Time," which led to a discussion on big existential thoughts about life. Then he began to read the essay, "Learning to Measure Time in Love and Loss," by Chris Huntington, which led to the emotional moment.

Garfield spoke to the power of art to make us feel

When Martin asked Garfield what was hitting him so much in that part of the story, and at first he said he didn't know, that it was "mysterious."

"This is why art is so important," he said. "Because it can get us to places we can't get to any other way."

Then he went on. "It's the preciousness. It's the preciousness, as we've been talking about. And it's the longing for more. It's like we all live, we all pass with so much more to know, with so much more longing."

After this clip, he added, "I'm sad. I'm sad. I'm sad at losing anyone. I'm sad at losing anything. I'm sad at the transience of certain relationships in my life. I'm sad at losing my mother, of course, and I'm sad at the idea of losing my father…but the sadness is longing. It's true longing. And there's no shame in it."

But even as he was expressing all of these feelings, he shared that he could feel within himself a pull to put the "modern conditioning taboo on this very, very pure feeling," and that made him sad, too. "There's a part of me that's like, okay, come on now, dude, pull yourself together…but I think that is the killer. That impulse—that is not mine, that is inherited, that is conditioned from our culture—to not feel, to calcify the heart, to not reveal the heart, to not trust another person with our hearts is what gets us into trouble."

People adore Andrew Garfield for his emotional accessibility

People loved Garfield's openness and vulnerability:

"He understands life and being human better than most."

"He speaks so articulately, and seems to be in touch with his emotions. Quite beautiful."

"The empathy, the compassion for humanity. It's beautiful and heartbreaking."

"This man feels so deeply. It's amazing to see."

"His vulnerability and authenticity is so moving. He deserves the best in life."

"The way he says preciousness is so profound you can't help but relate so deep in your soul. What a beautiful clip."

"'This is why art is so important, it can get us to places we can't get to any other way.'"

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That quote about art hit people especially hard. We live in a weird space where we value art deeply in our own lives, yet arts programs are often undervalued and underfunded. Even people who don't think of themselves as "artsy" enjoy art, even if they don't recognize the music they listen to, shows they watch, stories they enjoy or items they have decorating their houses as art.

But sometime art hits the way Huntington's essay hit Andrew Garfield. As he told Martin, "I feel this man's writing, and it feels like, for all of us, it feels like he's tapping into something so universal—a longing to be here."

Art reminds us of our humanity and connects us with others by tapping into feelings and experiences we share. And people who express those feelings and experiences like Andrew Garfield remind us how powerful that really is.

The full episode is worth listening to. Find "Modern Love" wherever you find your podcasts.

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Conan O'Brien's return to the 'Tonight Show' marked as a triumph among viewers

"This hit me right in the feels."

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Coco is back, baby.

Conan O’Brien had a blink-and-you-missed-it run as “Tonight Show” host. After only a year, he was unceremoniously laid off in 2010 by NBC due to a contractual dispute and replaced by former host Jay Leno, followed by Jimmy Fallon in 2014.

But despite his short-lived reign, O’Brien cemented himself as a wickedly funny and whip smart performer, as well as a master of recurring gags, self-deprecating humor and engaging conversation…not to mention developing a reputation for being a pretty great guy off the air.

Which is why fans were excited to see O’Brien appear as a “Tonight Show” guest for Tuesday’s episode, marking a return to his old stomping grounds for the first time in 14 years. And let’s just say…O’Brien’s comeback did not disappoint.

During parts of the interview, O’Brien exuded that same amount of candid poise that he famously maintained throughout the 2010 controversy. Like when he talked about podcast “Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend,” the project that followed his “Tonight Show” exit, he said he still considered hosting a late-night show “the best job in the world,” but shared his appreciation for the podcast format since it allows for longer, more in-depth conversations with guests.

But along with all the sentimentality were trademark rapid fire zingers and absurdly dramatic outbursts, especially when talking about how “weird” it felt to be back at Rockefeller Center.

"I was here for 16 years doing the ‘Late Night’ show," O'Brien told Jimmy Fallon (both “Late Night” and “The Tonight Show” filmed in the same building.

"When someone else is in your studio it feels weird. So I walked in and said, 'Who's in my old studio?' And they said 'Kelly Clarkson'. And I love Kelly Clarkson, who doesn't love Kelly Clarkson? But still I felt like, IT'S NOT RIGHT! BLASPHEMY! THEY SHOULD HAVE BURNED IT TO THE GROUND!"

"And then Kelly came out to say hi and I said, DON'T TALK TO ME! YOU MAKE ME SICK!!"

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O’Brien’s interview was so well received that fans seemed to fall in love with him all over again.

“Conan returns to the Tonight Show in TRIUMPHHH being one of the greatest of all time.”

“Conan is going down in history as one of the greatest to ever do it!”

“Conan's career is a true testament to the saying ‘Everything happens for a reason.’”

“This hit me right in the feels.”

“The man's a national treasure, give him everything.”

If you’re left wanting even more Coco, O’Brien has a new series, “Conan O’Brien Must Go,” which debuts on April 18 on Max. Talk about a full circle moment.

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Lily Allen's joke about her kids 'ruining' her career is a spot-on comment about motherhood

No, most women can't "have it all."

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Lily Allen shared how her kids "ruined" her career. She is not alone.

“You can have it all.”

This has been a post-3rd wave feminism promise sworn to women. That you can have a big family, a high achieving career, a fulfilling relationship, a never-ending sense of purpose, no bad hair days, healthy lunches that make themselves, and so on and so on.

But many, many women will quickly dispel that myth. There is still measurable inequality between men and women when it comes to being able to advance in their careers and have children. Even the ones who do seem to “have it all” are the exception to the rule, and likely have sacrificed other aspects of their identity.

That goes for pop stars too, apparently. While appearing on an episode of the Radio Times Podcast, British singer Lily Allen spoke candidly about her own experience of not being able to move up in the music industry after becoming a mom.

Allen shot to prominence in 2006 thanks to her hit song “Smile.” Only two years later, she earned a nomination for best alternative music album at the 2008 Grammy Awards for debut album, "Alright Still.”

But instead, Allen followed in the footsteps of celebrities like Rick Moranis, and chose to focus on her children.

"Some people choose their career over their children, and that’s their prerogative," she explained. "My parents were quite absent when I was a kid, and I feel like that really left some nasty scars that I'm not willing to repeat on mine. I’m glad that I have done that, because I think they’re pretty well-rounded people.”

In other words: “My children ruined my career,” she joked, before adding “I love them and they complete me, but in terms of pop stardom, totally ruined it.”

Though Allen has no regrets, she brought up the story to address how unrealistic it is for most women to be able to do both, and being told otherwise by society is less-than-empowering.

"It really annoys me when people say you can have it all, because — quite frankly — you can’t."

Between pay inequality, difference in work life balance, corporate attitudes towards pregnancy leave, and already being less likely to advance than their male counterparts even without the factor of children (not to mention the world not fully being set up for two working parents with zero community support) it feels safe to assume that Allen is touching on something fairly universal here.

Though her pop star chapter might have reached a close, Allen seems to still be living a pretty cool life— from her swanky New York apartment with David Harbour to winning awards for her stage acting. So though she might not “have it all,” she certainly has some pretty cool things going for her.

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