2 men get brutally honest about Islamophobia. The result is uncomfortable but important.
Paul Martin, a former Christian pastor, and his buddy Chris have been friends for 35 years.
They even share the unbreakable brotherhood that comes from having played in a rock band together.
But just because they're close doesn't mean they agree on everything.
The two friends recently found themselves in a heated debate over Islamophobia.
Paul insists lumping all people of a certain faith together is problematic and unfounded.
"Islam is a religion, it's not a person," he says. "I don't think a religion can hate."
Chris, frightened by ISIS-inspired attacks close to home, argues some Muslims do hate America, and what scares him is that there's no way of telling who they are.
It's not a comfortable conversation to watch, but it's a hard one that needs to happen. Not just between Paul and Chris, but between Americans from all walks of life.
The truth is that for every ISIS-inspired attack on American soil, there are countless violent acts perpetrated by everyday American citizens. But that doesn't make people's fears any less real.
These two friends manage to at least reach some modicum of common ground when Chris says, "I know that my sense of understanding is so shadowed by what's the truth and what's not the truth and what's being fed to me for political agendas."
That's exactly why conversations like this one are so critical toward building understanding. Watch how Paul and Chris talk this important issue out in the video below: