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FOUND: A Truly Civil Conversation About Abortion

This respectful and deeply intelligent conversation about abortion feels like a miracle. If you want to change the way we handle our differences in this country, watch even one minute of this video and share it now. Start watching at 7:40, and check below the video for my recommended highlights (and lots of them).

FOUND: A Truly Civil Conversation About Abortion


Soak in this healing, and listen to however much feels good to you. Here are some suggestions for where to plug in:

10:50 Did you know there’s an evangelical “consistent ethic of life”? David Gushee says it’s not just about abortion, it’s about issues like torture and gun control that touch us “from womb to tomb.”

16:00 Here, Frances Kissling, the pro-choice former Catholic nun, talks about the ways in which David’s work resonates with her.

18:45-22:00 Why we should drop the pro-life/pro-choice language. Do Frances and David agree?

24:00-30:00 The referee steps out of the way, and Frances and David talk face to face. Frances asks, "Does God want me to have sex or not?"

31:00 How is Buddhism like the Sexual Revolution?

34:00-39:00 David and Frances say what they like about the other side and don’t like about their own movements. Vulnerability! Honesty! Amazing!

43:00 What do women really know about fetuses? Are pro-choice people disrespectful to fetuses? Are pro-life people disrespectful to women?

45:00 On “betraying your side” and why Frances doesn’t want to compromise.

48:00-53:00 Why do women have abortions in the first place? And are men just “off the hook”?

54:00 Can you force someone to accept the gift of life?

56:00 The audience Q&A!

1:00:00 On giving the crocodile your arm to save yourself.

1:04:00 A social safety net policy from David that everyone is going to love.

1:06:00 Why the anti-abortion guy is terrified that Roe v. Wade might be overturned.

1:09:00 Would you adopt a pregnant teenager? David and Frances hope you would!

1:10:50 How the heck do you support your side’s policy and have an ongoing conversation with your opponents? Listen for David and Frances’s beautiful answer.

1:18:45 This isn’t the first time that abortion opponents have dialogued. You won’t believe what came out of their experience.

































Images courtesy of John Scully, Walden University, Ingrid Scully
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Since March of 2020, over 29 million Americans have been diagnosed with COVID-19, according to the CDC. Over 540,000 have died in the United States as this unprecedented pandemic has swept the globe. And yet, by the end of 2020, it looked like science was winning: vaccines had been developed.

In celebration of the power of science we spoke to three people: an individual, a medical provider, and a vaccine scientist about how vaccines have impacted them throughout their lives. Here are their answers:

John Scully, 79, resident of Florida

Photo courtesy of John Scully

When John Scully was born, America was in the midst of an epidemic: tens of thousands of children in the United States were falling ill with paralytic poliomyelitis — otherwise known as polio, a disease that attacks the central nervous system and often leaves its victims partially or fully paralyzed.

"As kids, we were all afraid of getting polio," he says, "because if you got polio, you could end up in the dreaded iron lung and we were all terrified of those." Iron lungs were respirators that enclosed most of a person's body; people with severe cases often would end up in these respirators as they fought for their lives.

John remembers going to see matinee showings of cowboy movies on Saturdays and, before the movie, shorts would run. "Usually they showed the news," he says, "but I just remember seeing this one clip warning us about polio and it just showed all these kids in iron lungs." If kids survived the iron lung, they'd often come back to school on crutches, in leg braces, or in wheelchairs.

"We all tried to be really careful in the summer — or, as we called it back then, 'polio season,''" John says. This was because every year around Memorial Day, major outbreaks would begin to emerge and they'd spike sometime around August. People weren't really sure how the disease spread at the time, but many believed it traveled through the water. There was no cure — and every child was susceptible to getting sick with it.

"We couldn't swim in hot weather," he remembers, "and the municipal outdoor pool would close down in August."

Then, in 1954 clinical trials began for Dr. Jonas Salk's vaccine against polio and within a year, his vaccine was announced safe. "I got that vaccine at school," John says. Within two years, U.S. polio cases had dropped 85-95 percent — even before a second vaccine was developed by Dr. Albert Sabin in the 1960s. "I remember how much better things got after the vaccines came out. They changed everything," John says.

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