Dylan Ratigan: We owe $70 trillion.
Karen Finney: I understand that, but you can't sit here and say... OK...
Dylan Ratigan: Deal is to walk out a four trillion dollar solution which is basically just a way for the Democrats to avoid dealing with this until 2017. I am not here to talk about plans to deal with this until 2017. I am saying we have got a real problem and I am tired of Republicans and Democrats. Republicans who want to burn the place to the ground and Democrats, with all due respect, who want to offer a plan that gets it through the end of the second term of their presidency and then screws me and my kids when it's over.
Karen Finney: OK, but there is a way... OK...
Dylan Ratigan: And until we do that, we have to deal with the extraction that is at foot. It is the reason the financial markets are behaving the way they are behaving. There is a mathematical fact. This is not some opinion. This is a mathematical fact. Tens of trillions of dollars are being extracted from the United States of America. Democrats are not doing it. Republicans are not doing it. And the entire integrated system, financial system, trading system, taxing system that was created by both parties over a period of two decades is at work on our entire country right now. And we are sitting here arguing about whether we should do the $4 trillion-dollar plan that kicks the can down the road for President for 2017 or burn the place to the ground both of which are reckless, irresponsible and stupid. And the fact of the matter is until we actually... I am sorry to lose my temper and get...
Karen Finney: No. No. No.
Dylan Ratigan: But I tell you what? I have been coming on TV for three years doing this. And the fact of the matter is there is a refusal on both the Democratic and Republican side of aisle to acknowledge the mathematical problem which is that the United States of America is being extracted. It's being extracted through banking, it's being extracted through trade, and it's being extracted through taxation. And there is not a single politician that has stepped forward, Susan, to deal with this.
Susan Del Percio: But there is only one right now. The leader of the free world. Whether you like it or not, the President of the United States is arguably one of the most powerful individuals we have out there and he is our President.
Karen Finney: But Susan, what you are saying is exactly the point that Dylan is making. It's not about one guy. It's about all of them coming together.
Susan Del Percio: No. I actually disagree. I think Dylan is saying it...
Dylan Ratigan: I agree. I agree with her. It is about one guy.
Karen Finney: What is one guy doing? So, what would you like him to do?
Dylan Ratigan: I would like him to go to the people of the United States of America and say, "People of the United States of America, your Congress is bought." Your Congress is incapable of making legislation on health care, banking, trade, or taxes because if they do it, they will lose their political funding and they won't do it. But I am the President of the United States and I won't have a country that is run by a bought Congress.
So, I am not going to work with or by Congress and try to be Mr. Big Guy and I am working with the bought Congress. I am going to abandon the bought Congress like Theodore Roosevelt did. I am going to go to the people of the United States and say, "You've got a bought Congress."
Until we get rid of the bought Congress, which is Jimmy Williams' constant point, which is get the money out of politics and until the President says that's the problem and say he is going to fix it, there is no policy that I can possibly see. No matter how brilliant your idea may be or your idea or my idea or her idea or your idea at home is that idea will not happen as long as there is the capacity to, basically, fire a politician who disagrees with me by taking funding away from him. Is that a fair assessment?
Jimmy Williams: Money and politics is the root of all political evil. It is corruption at its worst. And until we step up and kick that out of the park, it is going to be the same system all the way.
Dylan Ratigan: Only the President can do that. We are going to keep you...
Jimmy Williams: No, no, no. The Congress has to do it too.
Karen Finney: When and how?
Dylan Ratigan: But I tell you what, how bad does it have to get? How much money has to be extracted? How many things have to be hurt?
Karen Finney: I am asking to stand on the brass tacks. OK. Physically, what do you do?
Dylan Ratigan: You go and give a speech.
Karen Finney: Right now?
Dylan Ratigan: Yeah, right now. You say...
Karen Finney: And then what happens tomorrow?
Dylan Ratigan: Tomorrow what happens is you begin the process of actually investing in solving the problem. So, at the moment I say...
Karen Finney: How?
Dylan Ratigan: How? I create an infrastructure bank with 2% lending immediately. Once I explain to people the problem, once I explain to you, you have cancer, once you understand how screwed up your trade tax and taxing policy are, believe me you will have no issue when I incorporate an infrastructure bank that I fund with repay traded offshore money that I bring in and then use to create 2% direct lending to every business in America.
When you realize that the banking system is fully corrupt and defrauding us and I come out and say that, which is what I want my President to do, then at that exact moment I say, "You know what? We got a screwed up situation here, people." You all know it and now what I am going to admit it. And as a result, not only have I admitted it, but we are going to begin the process of solving it like grown-ups. They did it in World War II. They did it after the Civil War. They did it in Latin America with the Brady Bonds. We are not seeing it happen now. The Panel stays. A little more emotional than I anticipated yet again it worked this afternoon but what am I going to do?There may be small errors in this transcript.