Woman’s potential boss offers his references during her interview. That’s brilliant.

We often forget that the hiring process is a two-way street.

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Potential employers offering potential employees their professional references should be a regular thing.Photo credit: Fauxels/Pexels

Usually when people apply for a new job, they hyperfocus on making sure the potential employer knows they’re an ideal candidate. They research the heck out of the company, tailor their resume for the position and practice answering tough interview questions they anticipate the hiring manager might ask.

But a hiring process is a two-way street, up to and including when an offer is made. That’s perhaps never been more true than it is now, when unemployment is at a historic low and people can be choosier about the jobs they take. But even in a tough job market, a job interview means you are interviewing the company as much as they are interviewing you.

One woman shared a story that took that idea to the next level with a hiring practice that really should be standard everywhere.


Allison Peck shared in a LinkedIn post last year that she’d had a manager offer her three professional references—women who had worked for him in the past—so she could get some outside perspective on what he was like as an employer.

“Why don’t hiring managers give 3 of THEIR references to job candidates?” Peck wrote. “This happened to me once and I’ll never forget it. I was in the final round of interviews at a company years ago, and the hiring manager asked me for 3 references. Naturally, I provided him their contact info. And he said this:

‘Thanks, here are 3 women who have reported directly to me previously and they’ve agreed to speak with you if you’re curious what it’s like working on my team.’

When I called those three women, they all had great things to say and that man was one of the best managers I’ve ever had.

Any hiring managers out there confident enough in their leadership abilities that they’d offer this in the future?”

The fact that the manager recognized that she might want feedback from other women shows an understanding of the dynamics that women can face in the workplace, which is a good sign in and of itself. And that he offered the references without even being asked was also a definite plus.

Ironically, the kind of employer who would offer such a thing the way he did is probably the kind of employer you’d want to work for, without even having to contact their references. But talking with people who have worked for your potential boss before could definitely offer some peace of mind and give you added information you may need to make a decision about a job. It also makes it more likely that you’ll both be a good fit for one another, which again is the whole point of the hiring process.

Commenters agreed.

“I love this. When I hire into my team it’s something I offer too. I’m still in touch with people who were reporting to me 8-10yrs ago, most of whom have gone on to do some wonderful things and I now consider friends.” – Karen Hutchison

“I am with you on that. At my stage of my career, I will max out on salary and the benefits are usually decent. So what I care about is the team and leadership. So when I was unexpectedly let go 9 months ago and started looking all over again, I made it a point to ask about the team leader/manager and any other dynamics if I got to be interviewed by a peer panel. I ended up going with the job where the peers spoke highly of their manager both privately and in group interviews. I just wanted to work where boss actually cares about people more than they cared about managing her/his boss.” – John Waldbaum

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“Ok, I’m impressed. It would be great if this was normalized, and honestly, it would benefit both prospective hires as well as organizations. Many people get a job and start off excited just to find out that the manager they ended up working with is not exactly a good manager for them. This can translate into poor performance or even turnover. You can only find out so much during an interview that is timed and has set unwritten norms/ expected “etiquette”. Normalize reverse references!!!” ? – Stanley Molton

“Wow I wish this were done everywhere! Speaking to other women candidates during the interview has never given me the sense they can speak openly (especially if it’s recorded), because at the end of the day, they still report to that manager. Now, a manager that does this is demonstrating that there’s recognition and sensitivity to what women are faced with in the workplace, and they have confidence in their reputation even behind closed doors.” –Larissa Morrell

Resources like Glassdoor have helped provide an avenue for former employees to share their experiences, but there’s an extra layer of impressiveness when a potential employer offers you their references themselves.

Reverse references. Let’s make it a thing.

  • ‘Coming out’ as agnostic to my mom in the Bible Belt was painful. It was also empowering.
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    ‘Coming out’ as agnostic to my mom in the Bible Belt was painful. It was also empowering.

    I’m proud that I didn’t keep hiding that part of myself. And, frankly, I feel lucky that I didn’t have to.

    Growing up in the Bible Belt, almost everyone I knew was Christian—it was just part of the culture. Even if people never mentioned religion in casual conversation, there seemed to be an expectation that they’d show up in the pews, beaming brightly in their Sunday best. I was already kind of a spiritual outsider in my small town, attending the only Catholic Church around. But I really felt out of place on a deeper level—I was very confused about my faith, including whether I had one at all.

    Somewhere around middle school, I remember asking questions to adults about the Bible, trying to drill down on things that puzzled me. In high school, I spent hours reading articles about other religions and belief systems. I found myself distracted, even disinterested, in the sermons. I begged my parents to let me sleep in on Sunday mornings. But any time I started to truly question, I felt a zap of guilt—one that I kept secret for years. I’d experience periodic flutters of rejuvenation, mostly because I wanted to fit in. (In one case, during college, I had a crush on a deeply religious girl and thought, “Maybe this life path makes the most sense.”)

    “Coming out” as agnostic or atheist

    When I met my future wife, who was confident in her atheism, I discovered I wasn’t alone in my lack of belief. Then came a less pleasant thought: “I have to tell my parents now.” It was a painful conversation that happened almost by accident, during an afternoon walk with my mom. She casually asked about my then-girlfriend’s religion, and I told her the truth: She didn’t have one—and, frankly, neither did I. There were insults and tears and awkward silences, and I wasn’t prepared to process it. But I also know, looking back, that my mom probably wasn’t either—even if I struggled to understand it, I know this wasn’t the image of her adult son that she’d always pictured. (Not having kids probably didn’t help either. Sorry, mom!) But these days, most of that tension has softened, and I feel self-actualized in a way I didn’t as an angsty college kid. Plus, I still have plenty of close religious friends! (Acceptance, ultimately, is a two-way street, and we don’t have to agree on everything.)

    Looking back, though, I realize that “coming out” as agnostic (my preferred label, if forced to choose one) was a big deal, and I wish I had a do-over to consider the moment more consciously. It’s a tricky and complex road for anyone to navigate, especially if you want the recipient of this news to remain a part of your life. There are numerous factors to consider: the region, the particular faith, the broader cultural tolerance of non-religious beliefs, even the time period. (For example, according to a 2025 Pew Research Center report, “31% of U.S. adults said religion was gaining influence in American life,” marking the highest figure they’d seen in 15 years.) This isn’t a one-size-fits-all situation—everyone should approach their own tactfully, weigh the pros and cons, and potentially even consult with a professional. (Also, no one’s suggesting anyone should abandon their faith. Life is a journey, and beliefs can evolve.) Still, it’s interesting to read about other people’s experiences.

    One Redditor shared theirs in a thread titled “Coming out as an atheist!! what’s your story?” They wrote about telling their family at age 17, noting, “Most of them were supportive, but some said that this was a phase. I truly feel privileged to have a supportive family who did not let their beliefs affect mine.” One commenter shared that it was “more difficult coming out to friends and classmates,” given that they live in a predominantly Christian area. They wrote, “A lot of the time people thought I was crazy or started hating my mom for ‘leading [me] down the wrong path,’” but they wound up making new friends. Some people recalled having serious conversations, while others said that took a more casual approach: “In a nutshell? ‘Dad, I’m an atheist,’” one user wrote. “‘Yeah, that doesn’t make you transparent—step aside, I wanna see the game.’”

    “Every family”—and situation—is different

    If you look through enough responses, age emerges as a common theme. It’s likely way different having this conversation with your parents at 15, when you’re still living under the same roof, than as a financially independent adult. In the /exmormon subreddit, one user recalled their spouse having a relatively informal chat with his parents, mentioning that he “was taking a break.” But the Redditor also, crucially, emphasized that “every family is different.” Others in the thread stressed the importance of compassion and clear communication. In an /atheist thread, one ex-Muslim, then 32, wrote, “I don’t recommend telling your mom anything until you get a job and start being independent.” Again, there is no one universal method for taking this step, if you even decide to take it at all.

    In a 2015 study for the journal Secularism & Nonreligion, researchers studied the reactions of families when a member “comes out” as atheist, reporting the experiences of 80 people. They noted, broadly, that “atheists are often subjected to statements and behaviors that are unsupportive of familial relationships,” but they also aimed to determine which of three characteristics—”cohesion, adaptability, and communication”—was most crucial. While noting that each is important, they found that “kind and respectful communication seems to facilitate movement within the healthier realms of the cohesion and adaptability spectrums.” They also added, “[C]ommunication is often the element that individuals seem to be most aware of and most able to control. This is prescriptively important because it implies that, even when families have a pattern of rigidity or disengagement, being intentional about how one communicates can potentially soften the impact of disclosure.”

    Eight years later, researchers for the journal Social Forces examined atheists’ “perceptions of hostility toward their identities and whether they conceal those identities.” They wrote, “Looking first at the results for perceived hostility toward individuals’ atheist identity, we do not find any statistically significant differences across racial or ethnic groups relative to atheists who identify as white.” Additionally, they did “find some evidence that women might report greater perception of stigma related to their atheist identity relative to men, although this difference is of borderline statistical significance.”

    Despite my mild regrets, when I reflect back on that conversation with my mom, I ultimately feel proud that I didn’t hide part of myself—and, frankly, lucky that I didn’t have to.

  • ‘Are you serious?’ Man tries on women’s jeans to see if the pockets are ‘really that bad’
    Men's jeans and women's jeans have very different pockets. Photo credit: Canva

    It’s hard to say what makes every woman happy or what every woman wants, and as a woman myself, I’m not a fan of sweeping generalizations based on gender. However, there are certain elements of walking through the world as a woman that are fairly universal, which makes me feel confident in saying this:

    If you ever want to see pure, spontaneous joy, watch a woman put on a dress and suddenly realize it has pockets!

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    Women’s clothes are notorious for having either no pockets (most dresses) or pockets that are barely usable (most jeans and dress pants). And this isn’t just a perception—a 2018 study by The Pudding found that, on average, the front pockets on women’s jeans are 48% shorter and 6.5% narrower than they are on men’s jeans. I have pants in my wardrobe that look like they have both front and back pockets, but they don’t; where the pocket opening would be is sewn shut. Faux pockets may sound dumb—because they are—but they’re not uncommon. And some pockets are so small you can’t even fit a ChapStick into them.

    To test whether women’s pockets really are as bad as they (we) say they are, popular vlogger Nick Wilkins tried on a pair of women’s jeans. The fit was great and they looked fine. But the moment he held up the items he usually puts in his own pockets, women collectively let out a loud “HA!” Sure enough, when he tried to put his phone and wallet in the pockets, his reaction reflected what women have said countless times ourselves: “Are you serious? That’s all it does?”

    Yep, that’s really all they do, and yes, they really are that bad.

    “Now I know why you guys wear purses,” Wilkins said before having an epiphany. “You guys don’t have pockets with dresses, too!”

    Exactly. Hence the “It has pockets!” elation described above.

    “Um, people who make women pants,” Wilkins said, “let’s start putting some depth in there, why don’t we.”

    Seriously, though, why don’t we? What’s up with women’s clothing and the dearth of pockets?

    As it turns out, the history of women’s clothing and pockets goes way back, and, of course, there have been various trends and shifts over time. Some people have posited that companies don’t put usable pockets into women’s clothing so that they can sell more purses and handbags. However, according to a deep dive in FASHION Magazine, that’s not quite the whole story. Believe it or not, we’re still living with leftover, outdated notions of men being active and women being passive, with men’s clothing needing to be functional and women’s clothing desiring form over function.

    “Essentially: Men are required to act and therefore need practical clothing,” writes Annika Lautens. Women are expected to simply appear and be watched—their beauty prioritized above all else. And these outdated gender ideals are still being sewn directly into our clothing.”

    The irony, of course, is that women tend to carry more things than men. Sure, sometimes that necessitates a purse, but sometimes you don’t want to carry something extra. Pockets are nice. They’re convenient, helpful, and functional. We want them. We need them. What in the name of patriarchy is the problem here?

    It can’t be that hard to make normal pants for women with decent pockets. Jeans with decent pockets. Dress pants with decent pockets. And yes, dresses with pockets, too. We are seeing more independent and female-led clothing makers providing pockets, and clearly the awareness about it is finally kicking in pretty universally. But as most women can attest, it remains an issue.

    Maybe women would simply be too powerful if we all had pockets. Maybe this will be our ultimate last stand. Pockets or bust, ladies. Pockets or bust.

  • People shared their experiences encountering insanely rich kids for the first time
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    People shared their experiences encountering insanely rich kids for the first time

    “Her parents used to call her and check on her because she ‘wasn’t spending enough money.'”

    Most people grow up going to schools where people are of a similar social status. Lower-income people tend to grow up with people in the same situation and affluent people usually grow up around people who are rich as well. But things can change dramatically in college. People who are from completely different sides of the socioeconomic spectrum attend class together and sometimes wind up sharing the same dorm room.

    One student can be there on a scholarship and have a part-time job to make ends meet. The other may be on a massive allowance from their parents who pay full tuition without batting an eye. What exacerbates the issue is that many people go through college dirt poor. If they have a job, it’s often low-paying, they can’t work many hours and they aren’t old enough to have accumulated any wealth. According to the Lumina Foundation, a nonprofit based in Indianapolis dedicated to providing “opportunities for learning beyond high school” for all, 47% of today’s college students don’t have or rely on parental support, and of those students, one in four live below the poverty line.

    The differences are stark. So stark that seeing one of your peers wasting other people’s hard-earned money can be downright stupefying. It can also seem highly immoral for some to have so much and not appreciate it when others are struggling to get by.

    College is also a time when people begin to learn about income inequality and why it exists.

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    Income inequality becomes more obvious in college. Image via Canva.

    In the summer of 2020, freelance journalist Jake Bittle started a fun conversation on Twitter where people shared stories of some of the insanely rich kids they knew in college. Many of the responses came from people who went to the University of Chicago.

    Bittle’s story started with seeing a girl open her laptop to reveal a ton of money in her bank account while they were taking a class on Marxism. The tweet inspired people to share stories of the insanely rich kids they met in college and how some of them were terribly wasteful with their money.

    (Jake has since deleted his original tweet.)


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    One thing really becomes apparent when reading all of these Tweets: the severe lack of financial literacy among the college students in these anecdotes. According to EBSCO, over 40% of college students are “still not equipped with adequate financial literacy knowledge and skills.” This also touches on the correlation between student debt and financial literacy. A 2024 study from Auburn University published by the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) notes that students with more than $100,000 in student debt especially lack “adequate financial understanding,” exacerbating the student debt crisis.

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    The student debt crisis affects millions.

    No matter what side of the socioeconomic spectrum these students hail from, it’s well known that schools do not take the time to educate students on real-life skills like taxes, banking, budgeting, etc. before they head out into the world. Even if a student’s affluent family hasn’t wised them up to how money works in the real world, imagine how much better off everyone would be if we were required to take financial literacy courses before we hit adulthood?

    This article originally appeared five years ago.

  • Cardiff man helps homeless women after they were refused water at McDonald’s
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    Cardiff man helps homeless women after they were refused water at McDonald’s

    “I’m no saint, but this small act of kindness cost me about £20.”

    It goes without saying that water is a basic human right that should never be denied to anyone. So, when a homeless woman named Polly in Cardiff, Wales, was refused a drink at her local McDonald’s in 2018, a good Samaritan wouldn’t stand for it.

    Jonathon Pengelly couldn’t believe his eyes when the cashier told the woman no. “I don’t know what was going through their minds but a lady, clearly homeless was asking for a basic human right; and for a multi-billion pound company, for them to say no is disgusting!” Pengelly wrote on Facebook.

    Pengelly was behind the woman in line, so he offered to buy her and her friend something to eat and was shocked at Polly’s response.

    “She asked for a single cheeseburger and that was it,” Pengelly said. “We bought as much as we could carry so I knew she wasn’t going to be hungry.” He then sat and ate with them and was blown away by their positive attitudes. So he brought them back to his house, where they showered and brushed their teeth. While they cleaned up, Pengelly prepared some food to tide the women over for a few days.

    Pengelly posted about the evening’s events on Facebook to raise awareness about the problem of homelessness in the U.K. “I’m no saint, but this small act of kindness cost me about £20,” he wrote. “I know 90% of people reading this will earn about 10 times that a day…If you see someone on the streets, don’t look down on them like they’re nothing. You don’t know what they’ve been though! Spare a little thought!”

    Pengelly’s experience didn’t just open up his eyes to a real problem—he made a friend as well. “Me and Polly have chatted on the phone and I’ve promised her that she will never go hungry or cold again!” he said.

    Here’s Pengelly’s full post:

    “Well, my night took an unexpected turn! So I finished my night out, ended up in the dreaded McDonald’s queue. I couldn’t help but notice the lady in front me, all she asked for was a cup of hot water.

    The member of staff told her no. I don’t know what was going through their mind but a lady, clearly homeless was asking for a basic human right; and for a multi billion pound company, for them to say no is disgusting!

    My heart was shattered! So I spoke to her and told her to order what she wanted, expecting her to order everything. I was so shocked. She asked for a single cheese burger and that was it. We bought as much as we could carry so I knew she wasn’t going to be hungry.

    I couldn’t just leave this lady go, she was so warming and so lovely. So I sat with her, on the cold hard floor, in the middle of winter and you know what I did? I cried my eyes out.

    You know if people of Cardiff walked passed them and didn’t do anything because, financially, they weren’t in the position, I would understand. But people walked passed and laughed at them. I don’t care who you are, If this was you; and you’re reading this I hate you!

    When I got to speak to them I was genuinely shocked at their story and how educated they were! So full of life and enthusiasm and they literally have nothing!

    I invited polly and her mate back to my house and we all cooked enough food to feed them and their friends for the next few nights. We boxed them up and packed them in their bags.

    Polly and her mate have had showers, brushed their teeth and they both said they have ever felt so appreciated in their life.
    I’m no saint, but this small act of kindness cost me about £20. I know 90% of people reading this will earn about 10 times that a day.

    It costs nothing to be kind, and I genuinely hope people share this to raise awareness of homelessness throughout the UK!
    Me and polly have chatted on the phone and I’ve promised her that she will never go hungry or cold again! I’ve given her blankets, pillows and a backpack full of food.

    If you see someone on the streets, don’t look down on them like they’re nothing. You don’t know what they’ve been though! spare a little thought!

    I don’t care if I look like shit cause I’m crying!

    Polly, you’ve changed me!”


    This article originally appeared seven years ago.


  • Musician son adds real trombone sound effects to his mom’s daily life and it’s hilarious
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    Musician son adds real trombone sound effects to his mom’s daily life and it’s hilarious

    Pete Montzingo has gained a huge following joyfully advocating for his unique family.

    Peet Montzingo and his mom have the most delightful relationship, as evidenced by their joint videos on Montzingo’s social media platforms. And one viral video sums up the sort of fun Montzingo and his unique family engage in.

    The video is a compilation of clips of Montzingo following his mom around with a trombone, making silly sound effects as she goes about doing chores and normal daily life things. It’s simple and silly, which is what makes it so wholesome. People can’t get enough of their gentle bantering.

    Watch:

    The impromptu Star Wars duel is the best, isn’t it?

    Montzingo has millions of followers on YouTube and TikTok, where he regularly shares videos about life in his family. At 6 foot 1 inch tall, Montzingo stands out—literally—from his parents and siblings.

    As his mini bio from IMDB reads:

    “Peet is from Seattle, Washington. He is the only average height member of his family (his mom, dad, brother and sister are little people), which immediately put him in the media spotlight growing up. In February of 2019, he scored a spot as a touring/recording artist in the band 5WEST, touring South Africa, Spain, and Europe. They did their first arena tour as the supporting act for Boyzone autumn of 2019. During the pandemic in 2020, Peet cultivated a massive presence on TikTok and continues to post his wholesome videos alongside his singing career.”

    Montzingo advocates for little people in a way that is humorous and light-hearted in addition to being educational. For instance, watch him and his mom illustrate how to (and how not to) talk with short people:

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    i actually get this question all the time so hope this helps!!! @queenmamadrama #little

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    “I actually get this question all the time so hope this helps!!!” he wrote in the caption of the video demonstrating various cringey ways to talk to a little person before ultimately showing that you should just stand normally.

    Montzingo addresses lots of questions people have in his videos, including whether or not he’s actually adopted. This makeover video with his mom is surefire proof that he’s got her genes, as the resemblance at the end is uncanny.

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    low key this process was traumatizing😭 @queenmamadrama

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    What makes Montzingo’s videos so popular is the way he and his family use humor to destigmatize dwarfism and normalize the lives of little people. His mom’s house is designed for little people living, with short counters, sinks and furniture, and Montizingo laughs at his challenges as a tall person when he visits her. It’s what he grew up with, however, and he shows how much he loves his family and the physical differences between them.

    Montzingo’s unique role in his family means he can help bridge gaps as an advocate for little people, and it’s great to see him doing so in such a wholesome and entertaining way.


    This article originally appeared four years ago.

  • Wil Wheaton’s locker room story shows exactly why homophobic jokes are a problem
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    Comedy can be uplifting. And it can also be downright destructive. The rise of cancel culture has made us take a hard look at what we normalize for the sake of a good joke. And with Dave Chappelle’s controversial comedy special, that includes jokes which can be perceived as cruel or homophobic jabs by the LGBTQ community and allies.

    At the same time, comedy is supposed to be disruptive, is it not? It’s meant to be audacious, bawdy, outrageous. And let’s not forget it’s often said sarcastically, meaning we don’t really believe what what’s being said … right?

    Wil Wheaton has previously given a brilliant take on how to separate the art from the artist. This time though, he’s confronting the art itself and what makes it problematic.

    For anyone who genuinely doesn’t understand why I feel as strongly as I do about people like Chappelle making transphobic comments that are passed off as jokes, I want to share a story that I hope will help you understand, and contextualize my reaction to his behavior.”


    Wheaton started off his story by sharing how he used to play ice hockey when he was 16, and one night enjoyed a warm welcome as a guest goalie. After a fun practice, Wheaton joined his teammates in the locker room.

    Before I tell you what happened next, I want to talk specifically about comedy and how much I loved it when I was growing up… One of the definitive comedy specials for me and my friends was Eddie Murphy’s Delirious, from 1983. It had bits that still kill me… Really funny stuff.

    There is also extensive homophobic material that is just…appalling and inexcusable. Long stretches are devoted to mocking gay people, using the slur that starts with F over and over and over. Young Wil, who watched this with his suburban white upper middle class friends, in his privileged bubble, thought it was the funniest, edgiest, dirtiest thing he’d ever heard… And all of it was dehumanizing to gay men… I didn’t know any better. I accepted the framing, I developed a view of gay men as predatory, somehow less than straight men, absolutely worthy of mockery and contempt. Always good for a joke…

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    …A comedian who I thought was one of the funniest people on the planet totally normalized making a mockery of gay people, and because I was a privileged white kid, raised by privileged white parents, there was nobody around me to challenge that perception. For much of my teen years, I was embarrassingly homophobic, and it all started with that comedy special.

    Here Wheaton pivots back to the locker room:

    So I’m talking with these guys…We’re doing that sports thing where you talk about the great plays, and feel like you’re part of something special.

    And then, without even realizing what I was doing, that awful word came out of my mouth. ‘Blah blah blah F****t,’ I said.

    The room fell silent and that’s when I realized every single guy in this room was gay. They were from a team called The Blades (amazing) and I had just … really fucked up.

    “‘Do you have any gay friends?” One of them asked me, gently.

    “Yes,” I said, defensively. Then, I lied, “they say that all the time.” I was so embarrassed and horrified. I realized I had basically said the N word, in context, and I didn’t know what to do. I wanted to disappear. I wanted to apologize, I wanted to beg forgiveness. But I was a stupid sixteen year-old with pride and ignorance and fear all over myself, so I lied to try and get out of it.

    “They must not love themselves very much,” he said, with quiet disappointment.

    Nobody said another word to me. I felt terrible. I shoved my gear into my bag and left as quickly as I could.

    That happened over 30 years ago, and I think about it all the time. I’m mortified and embarrassed and so regretful that I said such a hurtful thing. I said it out of ignorance, but I still said it, and I said it because I believed these men, who were so cool and kind and just like all the other men I played with (I was always the youngest player on the ice) were somehow less than … I guess everyone. Because that had been normalized for me by culture and comedy.

    A *huge* part of that normalization was through entertainment that dehumanized gay men in the service of “jokes”. And as someone who thought jokes were great, I accepted it. I mean, nobody was making fun of *ME* that way…so…

    This stuff that Chappelle did? …For a transgender person, those “jokes” normalize hateful, ignorant, bigoted behavior towards them. Those “jokes” contribute to a world where transgender people are constantly under threat of violence, because transgender people have been safely, acceptably, dehumanized. And it’s all okay, because they were dehumanized by a Black man……Literally every queer person I know (and I know a LOT) is hurt by Chappelle’s actions. When literally every queer person I know says “this is hurtful to me”, I’m going to listen to them and support them, and not tell them why they are wrong…

    Wil Wheaton brings up some powerful points. While this is a complex issue, the insidious nature of dehumanizing jokes is pretty blatant. At some point we have to ask ourselves: Is it really worth harming someone else for the sake of a joke? When put that bluntly, the answer, I hope, is a resounding no.

    This article originally appeared four years ago.

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